This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.

he told people to go the guy up :psyduck:

As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk before adding that "he might have committed suicide."

While a flippant remark that the victim may have killed himself could possibly be seen as drunken banter intended to embellish the impact of the story, later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." The entire talk was watched by a packed room of Fanfest attendees and streamed live to thousands of players at home. Alex told players to "deal with it" when complaints surfaced on the EVE forum.

I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist..."

erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..).

ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO.

he is a lawyer paralegal after all.

No, it's not a get out of jail free card.

However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS.

Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.

[T]he Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game...

i too can make things up

Well, he is openly a sadist, so should we take the chance it might come to that?

Pretty sure most don't go to real life events and represent the game company (+ the community for that matter), while making fun of someone openly who may or may not be suicidal. Any "non-major-player" would be banned immediately. People get banned for way less than that. In game is one thing. IRL is another entirely...

Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.

Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.

Still waiting on an explanation here.

See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole.

in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good.

Probably tomorrow when he logs in.

This can not be quoted enough.

There are no laws that can do anything against CCP.

problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass

CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.

You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none.

Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance.

This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying.

It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.

You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement.

Does anybody have the link where someone asked Princess Bride what she thought?

No? Nobody? There's gotta be one....oh... there's not? Not in 100 pages you say? Well hell. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that nobody gives a **** then.

This doesn't change anything. He still owes you nothing. If this thread were never made, that fact would not change. You're putting the so-called "victim" on a stand and claiming to champion the wrongs perpetrated against them when they, in fact, simply don't give a ****. You keep skipping over that part, but you've been pretty good at that so far.

Just be honest about it. You have an axe to grind with Mittens and then Goons by extension, so now you need to latch onto anything you can find to drag a real person through the ground as much as you possibly can in an effort to feel avenged for your space pixels or ehonor or whatever the hell it is that motivates your ire against people on the Internet. Nevermind that it is this exact witchhunt that is dragging EVE more and more into the negative limelight in the press.

Regardless of how effective you say you were as a CSM last year, I feel its only a matter of time before you fall back on who you are as a person and politician. When this happens I think itGÇÖs safe to say that youGÇÖll have no problem with screwing everyone over if you canGǪ Eve, CCP, the players, and those who voted for you. I mean thatGÇÖs what mud-slinging sadists do, right? IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖll be lol-tastic too.

OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.

It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned.

stuff

also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit

you're absolutely retarded goddamn

LOL you are hilarious

never stop

seriously in your case you should probably be banned for all this e-stalking you've loudly stated that you've done

You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online.

And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?

They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.

Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following

a) how much time you've spent on these forums
vs
b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law


The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist.

And now we get down to brass tacks with you being honest for once. Glad we could get your true colors out there.

FTFY, so it sounds like it reads to the common reader. "I DO WHAT I WANT. WHATEVA! WHATEVA! " Mittens isn't stating legal precedents, he's apologizing. You on the other hand have rolled about in this thread like you're motherfucking Matlock or something.

I think my post will get buried fast in this avalanche but here are my 2 cents:

- Did i vote for him - No

- Did he screw up during alliance panel - Yes

- Does he need to somehow fix his mistakes - Yes

- Does he need to leave the chairman position - No


Frankly leaving CSM he would undermine the trust of thousand of people voting for him. Get him apologize to The Wis - in such a way so Wis would actually post on forums and says all is forgiven. But do not let him leave CSM.

While i do not condone many of his policies i am perfectly fine with him as chairman.

Most of the people yelling "Resign!" say it not because they think this would somehow make situation resolve itself. They yell it because it fits their own needs. They care about "The Wis" as much as general public does if not less. Because for them "The Wis" is not a person its a tool to get Mittani off the CSM.

The Mittani is the real victim here. You are biased.

Odd. You did not use quotes or cite the source of your posts. Thanks for the admission of plagiarism and infringement though.

There you go with that Matlock bullshit again.... HEY GUYS THAT TURKEY IS A CHICKEN CUZ I ******* TOLD YOUR ASS IT WAS A CHICKEN YOU STUPID INGRATE I'LL SUE YOUR ASS FOR FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.

The only thing worse than a lawyer is an internet lawyer. Yep, I ******* said it. What of it? Oh, you thought we were all suckups without spines.

I'm just going to assume you're full of crap.

Literally any lawsuit that lands on CCP's doorstep regarding "wrongful death" and ends against their favor would be attributable to the failures of the legal system, not some non-event like this.

Princess, they only way that CCP could be even remotely be brought into a legal proceding of any kind in the future is if petitions were filed by the victim reporting harassment with the intent cause bodily harm and documentation being provided that CCP ignored the situation.

Of course that would be completely ignoring their legal disclaimer that communications between players in game fall outside of their ability to strictly control.

Since CCP doesn't ignore complaints about real life threats being thrown about in their game, it's unlikely that this will occur.

even in a badposting thread i don't get why people would respond to princess bride

You're never going to be admitted to Law School yknow.

Oh, it's spelt "m-o-r-e p-l-e-a-s-e." Real lawyers don't talk the way you do.

So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?

I hate to say it, but this... exactly this.

Nope that's just me. I haven't even started yet. Also these forums suck donkey schlong

Honestly Mittens giving an apology is a major break of the "Smuggo" character he's created over the last several years.

Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far

(at least, as it appears atm )

It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.

There is a picture of him LARPing a few pages back. It's a known fact he's into RPing. He's just not a flaming space knight most of you picture when you think of RPing in Eve.

Edit: Here you go.

Wasn't this already on the eve wikipedia under 'The Mittani' anyway?

You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game.

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OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.

I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.

This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.

I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.

There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.

To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.



The Wis

Wow, quoting American law on an internet forum. You must be an expert barrister then, right? Please, tell us more about your long and successful career in criminal law.

In what Jurisdiction?

When csm8 comes around, they will just nominate someone else, and here we are again.

Isn't there a second person on the group that is part of their alliance. If that's the case, what would they lose?

lmao

Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that.

Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.

Prove he meant otherwise.